tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post6739866063934145862..comments2024-03-07T09:05:07.127+00:00Comments on CM-Handmade: Tatting, quite an interdisciplinary craftCorina Meyfeldthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06844434064357347990noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-29948194481620079122014-08-10T16:10:55.082+01:002014-08-10T16:10:55.082+01:00Thank you, Maria. I hope this helps. Thank you, Maria. I hope this helps. Corina Meyfeldthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06844434064357347990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-33462984188606284702014-08-10T15:02:31.098+01:002014-08-10T15:02:31.098+01:00Hello, I am novice six talented and I hope to one ...Hello, I am novice six talented and I hope to one day become as good as you ... I admire you very much and thanks for the patterns that you have available for people who want to learn hello thanksAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08883104615705276550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-79512025140244429242014-08-02T12:16:38.029+01:002014-08-02T12:16:38.029+01:00Dear Sara, I must thank you so much! Not only that...Dear Sara, I must thank you so much! Not only that this reaction is a sign that this blog entry is read but also that it reaches consciences. Balm for me. <br />After the storm with the illegal publications of the patterns from Jane Eborall and Marilee Rockley, Edda Guastalla did some pressure that justice will be done. Jane Eborall, on her side, got also this problem solved. Edda tried really hard to convince the tatters and the publishers to be more accurate in their choice of the patterns. This issue you showed me is the result of Edda's efforts in this direction. The flower and the set are her work. She named it with my name because of the use of the beads ... and because she wanted to make clear that the flower published some issues ago under "Daniela's flower" was in fact my pattern: http://cmhandmade.blogspot.com.es/2013/07/pattern-for-beaded-flower.html. <br />I thank God that there are people like Edda and you. <br />Happy tating, Sara. Corina Meyfeldthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06844434064357347990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-26079876559350855172014-08-02T11:59:20.818+01:002014-08-02T11:59:20.818+01:00Dear Corine, now in Italy the same publisher you m...Dear Corine, now in Italy the same publisher you mentioned in the post of 15 april issed a new number of the magazine as you can see with your pattern mentioned in the first page. I'd like know if you autorised it or not.<br />Dear Corine, now in Italy the same publisher you mentioned in the post of 15 april issed a new number of the magazine as you can see with your pattern mentioned in the first page. I'd like know if you autorised it or not.<br />http://www.edizioniges.it/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/uncinetto/creativa20.jpg<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13485117752361153836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-6127442305304982192014-08-02T11:57:17.676+01:002014-08-02T11:57:17.676+01:00Dear Corine, now in Italy the same publisher you m...Dear Corine, now in Italy the same publisher you mentioned in the post of 15 april issed a new number of the magazine as you can see with your pattern mentioned in the first page. I'd like know if you autorised it or not.<br />http://www.edizioniges.it/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/uncinetto/creativa20.jpg<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13485117752361153836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-7786827741387314952014-05-12T12:39:03.893+01:002014-05-12T12:39:03.893+01:00If someone isn't that creative they can still ...If someone isn't that creative they can still buy the pattern. There is no need to make illegal copies. Or they can use one of the many, many free patterns out there.<br /><br />One thing is that it is sometimes really hard to judge wether the pattern source is legal or not. <br /><br />I would never think that a magazine publishing a pattern doesn't have the right to do so. I would also think that there is no need. They could politely ask the designer and lots of them would be happy to have their free pattern printed if the magzine also provides information about their books or pattern stores or whatever else there is. And if one designer is not willing, there are so many out there... just ask someone else.sylverscalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14567625834525155863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-27957170377193093942014-05-08T00:01:08.243+01:002014-05-08T00:01:08.243+01:00You said it, Corina, and you said it well. And I a...You said it, Corina, and you said it well. And I agree with you about this BIG accident and people who live from their tatting.<br /><br />But concerning the many small incidents, I feel that there is a which hunting going on. People will often give the impression they copied, simply because they re-invent. I often laugh when I see a pattern in a famous book, and then I see the same pattern in a magasine that is much older and in a diffreren language,..;Tally Tattyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11250068366709959166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-19977754047981511452014-05-07T21:44:14.592+01:002014-05-07T21:44:14.592+01:00It is not about inquisition, it is about being hon...It is not about inquisition, it is about being honest. Grace made a pattern wich after was identified like having long ago done by someone else. She never saw the flower before (dimpled rings or chains)... The Italian magasine used her open pattern from 2013 up the to number of ds and the description of the joins. This is what I do not like. And if we want to teach I would like to believe that we teach also some respect for the designers. <br />This is a craft, it can be a beautiful hobby too, but for some other tatter this is more that habby, some simply make their living with it: tatting, creating new designs, writing books, spending time and material to tweack a new design, attempting every simple fair... It is a job and this choice should be respected. <br />And not respecting their work by stealing it, by taking advantage of it, by illegally spreading the copyrighted contents, this is not something one should pass to his/her students. There are beautiful free patterns, antique and modern ones, given generously to everyone. I do not find fair that a free pattern of Jane Eborall was published under another name. I do not want to touch the aspect that the magasine costs almost 5€ (almost 6 USD), so it was not charity gesture... <br />Spreading the beauty of tatted lace, YES. Allowing that dishonesty and disrespect spoil this world: a definite NO. Corina Meyfeldthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06844434064357347990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-89671957172050054442014-05-07T18:26:13.323+01:002014-05-07T18:26:13.323+01:00Hi Corina, I did not entirely agree with you, my p...Hi Corina, I did not entirely agree with you, my piece was not merely meant as a summary of your thoughts.Like everybody else, I was shocked that this italian magasine stole Marilee's pattrens. But I was also shocked by reading what you wrote in the following sentence:<br /><br />" and Grace had the honnesty in 2013 to admit that she was not that original with it, although she was not inspired by any other pattern). All of them still free".<br /><br />ADMIT ! That sounds like someone being tortured by the inquisition. That is a big word for such a small motif!!<br /><br />I do not often visit Intatters, although it is THE site for information. But I am reluctant to meet the tatting maffia, the tatting police, the tatting detectives, the tatting layers, the false accusations and the tatting inquisition. And people do get punished, if only by words. Please, this is a hobby! A type of lace that we WANT to teach to others, we WANT to multiply it.<br />It would be wiser if Intatters hired a real detective in Italy to find out what the editors of that magasine have to say.<br /><br />I waited 3 years to start a blog because of all this. In the meantime, I kept reading other people's blogs, and I saw many of 'my' ideas pass. Which is only logic.<br /><br />PS: the cute little books are Japanese, not Chinese. They are ideal for young beginners. Aren't these our target group?<br />Tally Tattyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11250068366709959166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-21256404168244918142014-05-04T19:16:37.813+01:002014-05-04T19:16:37.813+01:00Tally Tatty, you resumed so nicely all my feelings...Tally Tatty, you resumed so nicely all my feelings too. We will must have from time to time this kind of discussions, because there will be always an attempt to do something not quite legal. There will be a small storm, then silence. The Earth will continue to spin and our shuttles also. <br />Corina Meyfeldthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06844434064357347990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-20395552684059035842014-05-02T00:10:42.586+01:002014-05-02T00:10:42.586+01:00Dear all, I agree with you that the cover of this ...Dear all, I agree with you that the cover of this magasine is shocking. Plainly copying someone and publishing it, is a crime. What are these people thinking? They must be very rude to start with; they have no respect and no scruples. Poor Marilee.<br /><br />On the other hand, with all these discussions going on, I am afraid to start a blog and showing what I do. <br />I would love to have a blog, firstly for myself, to organise my ideas, and ask all my dear tatting Godmother fairies ( all of you) for advice.<br />I would also like to have something to show my students, with patterns or explanations in Dutch. finally, with this blog, I hope to attract and interest new people in Belgium and the Netherlands. Tatting used to be very common here, until all handwork suddenly vanished in the 1980's.<br /><br />I am not interested in selling anything, only in quiet tatting for myself and for new tatting students. I have also stopped buying things, since I still tat with my first Aero shuttle, bought here in Belgium in 1979; it is still the best one I tried.<br /><br />But, I am a scientist, and I know that many things are discovered at the same time by different people. Oxygen for instance or the evolution theory were discovered by two people. Boyle's law is called" loi de Mariotte" in French.<br /><br />I am worried because you mention Grace's cherry blossom. Such a simple pattern can easily be invented by different people around the world at the same time. As you said, we all dowload the same patterns, buy the same books and read the same blogs. That is how we get inspired, then produce something ourselves that is different and similar. And very often, patterns and techniques are older than people think.<br /><br />For example: I recentlly read an article written by Georgia Seitz about Ankars. She mentions "Rina's exercice". This prevents gaps between rings and chains. Well, when I learned to tat from a sweet nun in a hospital 30 years ago, she tought me to do exactly that. I really don't care who invented this technique and from who the sister learned it. It is nice that Georgia, Rina and sister Bernadette all taught this technique to other people. This is how tatting will not be lost for future generations.<br /><br />So, it is true that this italian magasine is way out of line, and hurt Marilee. On the other hand, discussions about copywrite may scare beginners and tatting is difficult enough as it is. Difficult to learn, I mean.<br /><br />I seize this opportunity to thank all the blogging tatters, I learned so much about tatting in the last 3 years, thanks to you all!Tally Tattyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11250068366709959166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-3484827143437986532014-04-19T17:19:45.907+01:002014-04-19T17:19:45.907+01:00Lilas, this Creative Common Licence did not intima...Lilas, this Creative Common Licence did not intimadate the ones taking the info from Jane's Eborall blog. I think we all know and accept that there will be always someone stealing and working a stolen pattern. The really disturbing fact is to have the nerve to publish them and to sell the magazines also on-line with HandyHands partners... Corina Meyfeldthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06844434064357347990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-14949511932102476232014-04-19T17:03:10.694+01:002014-04-19T17:03:10.694+01:00I am not amazed! It is completely disheartening, e...I am not amazed! It is completely disheartening, especially as the buyers look at the price and sometimes forget the other aspects... Yet your jewels have a very particular design.<br />I also ask myself this question. I put a Creative common License on my blog. I hope that It's useful!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-62938625083870740752014-04-18T14:12:08.341+01:002014-04-18T14:12:08.341+01:00Hi, TotusMel. Thank you for stopping by. When 1 pa...Hi, TotusMel. Thank you for stopping by. When 1 pattern is already up, we assume that somehow, it will pirated. Not fair, not legal, but we cannot do anything. When the pattern is a free pattern, it is more than ok to be used. But when someone counts on the screen the ds, re-makes the pattern (adding or obmitting ds, picots, beads) and then publishes it as own work, then I get a bit mad. <br />In this case of Marilee they used those protected patterns and they publish them with no permission of Marilee, obviously with no mention of her name. <br />How did you feel when you found out that someone was selling the pattern of your barefoot sandals (the one from the Instructables)? <br />By the way, barefoot sandals... It was after I found your barefoot sandals in 2012 that I got hoocked to tatting. I wanted to make beaded barefoot sandanls, I found one day your "Queens" and that was it for me. Learned about the technique, made the first flower after your video. Thank you. <br />Corina Meyfeldthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06844434064357347990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-52307223821811855622014-04-18T12:48:14.004+01:002014-04-18T12:48:14.004+01:00I just read this after seeing Marliee's post ...I just read this after seeing Marliee's post and came to see what happened. I just wanted to commiserate a bit and add that the fear of these sort of things weighs heavily on my mind every time someone asks me to post a pattern and I know it keeps me from doing it too often. TotusMelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17661819229938323908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-25810650973251722812014-04-18T09:57:07.568+01:002014-04-18T09:57:07.568+01:00For this cases when I share the pattern it is ok t...For this cases when I share the pattern it is ok to be used. I do not really care if the name of the author is mentionned. What disturbes me really is when someone takes this pattern and publishes as her own. It was the case in one of the Italian magazines. I do not share all the patterns and if I choose to sell the object I always say "original pattern" assuming that people are honnest. Dumm thing. Fun fact: it hapens always with Italian tatters not with the other ones. <br />I post a last object made, some hours later comes the copy. It is not an exageration. For the snowdrops earring (http://cmhandmade.blogspot.com.es/2014/02/small-floral-earrings.html) it was the case. I published the foto in FB, 3 hours later came the first pair done by an Italian tatter with the comment: "I will post the pattern a bit later". I got really mad, so I rushed and put the pattern in the blog. I intended actually to sell it. I have to learn... Corina Meyfeldthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06844434064357347990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-10211131797683843942014-04-18T09:49:31.716+01:002014-04-18T09:49:31.716+01:00Trish, In every profession we would have, we would...Trish, In every profession we would have, we would sell our knowledge. This is also the case. I want at least that my husband has no reason to rise his eyebrows when I must buy supplies... The persons using stolen patterns are doing it also to sell the items and not to offer them to friends, I saw for most of them nice fair posts and announcements about the next event. And this makes the whole thing a bit weird: I would not sell an own pattern (material, time invested) for 3,50 and the ones using it would sell for at least the double. Corina Meyfeldthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06844434064357347990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-8855202410325534372014-04-18T08:09:01.788+01:002014-04-18T08:09:01.788+01:00Not long ago I made a collar according to a free m...Not long ago I made a collar according to a free model. I thought that it was a vintage model. In fact, it was the plagiarism of a recent book.<br />But I wonder how you protect you from the copy. I see that you share your patterns on your blog and you put on sale the jewel. What prevents anybody from realizing your model and from selling it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-53731992693898890362014-04-18T06:56:00.449+01:002014-04-18T06:56:00.449+01:00This is exactly why I have no desire to sell any p...This is exactly why I have no desire to sell any patterns. I'm not good enough yet to really design anything original but when I am, I will still not post patterns. Why publish something that will just get stolen? I tat for my own enjoyment and so that I can give gifts to people that cost me very little. I really don't have much desire to move it into a business. Trish Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00030547842675661478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-3501433507285093142014-04-15T19:23:44.159+01:002014-04-15T19:23:44.159+01:00I saw yesterday in FB a picture with one hurt hand...I saw yesterday in FB a picture with one hurt hand, covered in blood. Text "When you photocopy, share an original pattern and choose not the pay the author, you kill him". I thought it is exagerated. It is not. Creative people will be fed up by being used and they will cease to share. This is the moment when a craft will slowly stop to evolve... Just like you said... What I do not understand: there are so many gorgeous patterns shared, free patterns, why steal? I hear always as an excuse: "I am not so creative!" In my eyes it is the cheapest excuse ever. From not being creative to countig the ds on the screen or worse, making copy/paste to a pattern, there is a huge gap I would call being dishonest. Corina Meyfeldthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06844434064357347990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-62213265607701218842014-04-15T19:15:48.929+01:002014-04-15T19:15:48.929+01:00Yes, it is really sad. Yes, it is really sad. Corina Meyfeldthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06844434064357347990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-77648845293354361182014-04-15T19:06:37.323+01:002014-04-15T19:06:37.323+01:00Let's not forget that these are only the ones ...Let's not forget that these are only the ones we hear about!!! In other languages and far distance places in the world it's probably happening too. The same patterns are being published over and over and over again. Leaving aside the copyright issues (which are important to sort out) I think that this will lead to people giving up the craft as when they buy a magazine/book or steal the same they'll find the same old, same old patterns. I look at the never ending supply lately of Chinese pattern books and (from what I can see) they are producing the same patterns that have been in the arena for years and years and years. I'm wondering if eventually people will stop tatting because it will become boring finding that every book or magazine you buy has the same patterns in? Jane Eborallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05129528958253092545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-38357260966617422492014-04-15T17:39:53.339+01:002014-04-15T17:39:53.339+01:00Madtatter, thank you so mush about the link. After...Madtatter, thank you so mush about the link. After the first reading of the article, I may be wrong, but:<br />1. A pattern is a procedure, process or method of operation, for making something. The specific instructions for making the item might, might, qualify for copyright registration but that copyright only would cover the written instructions, not the patterns or what was made from the patterns. <br />2. The pattern, not the end product, is the subject of the registered copyright.<br />In this case of Marilee's patterns, we talk about reproduction of a pattern and re-publishing an already published (and protected) pattern. <br />There are other articles on the pattern matter: <br />for knitting patterns: http://www.knitty.com/ISSUEfall03/FEATcopyright.html, pretty relevant. <br />http://www.vogueknitting.com/magazine/article_archive/a_matter_of_principle.aspx. From this one I like these paragraphs: <br />"Can I make a copy of a pattern for a friend?<br />No. This would specifically be infringement because you are copying the work to deprive the author of a sale. You should have your friend buy a copy of the pattern for him/herself.<br /><br />Can my LYS make copies of patterns from magazines or the Internet for customers, even if the patterns are not to be sold?<br />No. This conduct is infringement as it would deprive the author of a sale; i.e., the customer would otherwise purchase a copy of the pattern if you did not give it to them."<br /><br />And this isby far my favourite: http://dawnhocknell.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/copyright-law-in-sewing-patterns-2/<br />Bottom line: as soon as a pattern was published (no matter on wich form) it is protected. In USA: "Copyright protects: commercial prints, labels, artwork applied to clothing, collages, dolls, toys, drawings, paintings, fabric, floor, and wall-covering designs, computer artwork, needlework and craft kits, patterns for sewing, knitting, crochet, needlework, photographs, photomontages, stencils, cut-outs, technical and mechanical drawings, diagrams , weaving designs, lace designs, tapestries."<br /><br />Corina Meyfeldthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06844434064357347990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-18713711507375547752014-04-15T16:55:31.803+01:002014-04-15T16:55:31.803+01:00It's sad to hear how much this has been happen...It's sad to hear how much this has been happening lately. You put it very well how much work and time goes into putting even one pattern out there to share, free or not. I hadn't thought about explaining courtesy and copyright to new students but you are right, if they aren't told they don't know what is acceptable and what isn't. tattrldyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16749374085792405962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8122853409884972342.post-59558828147706472412014-04-15T16:43:29.265+01:002014-04-15T16:43:29.265+01:00I agree and this is a very interesting site to che...I agree and this is a very interesting site to check out that explains in detail laws on this matter because some people want togo too far with there patterns as well http://www.tabberone.com/Trademarks/CopyrightLaw/Patterns.shtmlMadtatter80https://www.blogger.com/profile/15047145271493817811noreply@blogger.com